Review: 2021 Specialized S-Works Epic

It has been just three years since the launch of the previous Epic but Specialized's engineers have not been idle. The all-new 2021 Epic boasts a complete rethink on the bike's geometry as well as changes to the Brain system to improve reliability and extend service intervals.

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Updated Geometry


The greatest impact on how the new Epic rides can be attributed to the shape of the frame.

 

Using an alloy test mule frame, Specialized’s engineers tested a variety of different angles and heights when developing the new Epic. They went pretty extreme in some cases, like trying out the bike with a 65 degree head angle. Ultimately they settled on 67.5 degrees for the Epic which is full 2 degrees less than the previous Epic. The slacker head angle should help the bike better roll over obstacles and give the rider more confidence without the fear of pivoting over the handlebars. The chainstay length has been shortened by 5mm which should help with rear end manoeuvrability. The seat tube angle is steeper at 75.5 degrees on a medium frame while the bottom bracket is lower by 8mm to improve handling and offers better control on steep climbs. While the seat tube and bottom bracket heights work to place the rider more inside the frame, the reach on a medium frame is 12mm longer at 445 mm to add a bit more room. The XL frame gets 20mm more reach while the extra small 5mm. Take a look at the full geometry chart below.

 

EPIC.jpgThe new Epic's geometry number alongside a comparison of the new Epic frame versus the previous Epic frame.

 

Improved Construction and Weight


The new S-Works FACT 12m carbon chassis is around 100 grams lighter than the previous model. Specialized used a new layup while adding carbon in some places they could also reduce the amount in others. The carbon suspension link weighs a mere 24 grams. Feedback from team riders indicated a hint of softness in the rear. They looked at the suspension but this wasn’t moving much so they targeted the frame’s rear end stiffness. This resulted in a 15% improvement in stiffness for the back of the frame. The new FACT 11m frames used through the rest of the model range have seen improvements too. They now match the stiffness and weight of the previous S-Works frame.

 

The FACT 12m frames weigh 1869 grams while the FACT 11m frames weigh 1947 grams. These measurements include frame, shock, hanger, axle, and bolts.

 

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The engineers at Specialized were pretty excited about getting this carbon link down to 24 grams.

 

Optimized Sizing


A consideration for short and tall riders. Specialized go to great lengths to make sure the experience across the size curve is uniform. They optimise the carbon layup and stress test each frame size to ensure that they each perform the same. It may or may not be attributable to this attention to detail but as a rider who fits an extra-large frame, the Specialized XL always feels just right. It is noticeable when a bike company has simply sized up their test size without much thought.

 

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From a distance the paint work looks like a solid colour but up close you can see the brush stroke-like details.

 

Maintenance and Frame Protection


With electronic shifting, our S-Works test arrived with an internal routing cable port for only the rear brake. This can be increased three or four ports to accommodate further shifter and dropper post cables. There is a hole for a rear shock lockout but with the Brain suspension, that’s intended more for the EVO model. The bottom bracket is BSA 73mm, so it’s threaded for easier maintenance. The chainstay protector features the raised sections first seen on the Stumpjumper and they work exceptionally well to rid the bike of any chain slapping sound.

 

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Specialized SWorks Epic 2021-3.jpgA SWAT box can be fitted to the Epic for additional storage capacity.

 

Hydration and Storage


Of serious importance to marathon racers is hydration and storage for spares. The Epic frame accommodates two full-size bottles across the size curve, except for the extra small frame which can accommodate one bottle on the downtube. The Specialized bottle cage allows for a multitool to be fitted or you can go the full hog and fit the SWAT box which will carry a tube, CO2 canister and adaptor, as well as a tyre lever. Neatly stowed in the headset cap is a chain link and chain breaker tool for repairing a broken chain.

 

The Brain


When you think Specialized Epic you think Brain suspension. While the new EVO has shed its Brain, the racing Epic is still firmly designed around the system.

 

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Part of the Brain system is now housed within the non-drive side chainstay.

 

A quick explainer for those unfamiliar with the Brain suspension. The Brain system uses an inertia valve to differentiate between pedalling and trail forces through the rear wheel. This allows it to maintain a firm suspension when on smooth surfaces and automatically switch to open suspension when the trail gets rougher. It’s a simplified lockout that frees up the rider to concentrate on other aspects of racing and never get caught in the wrong setting.

 

Chatting to the Specialized engineers on a video call, they are conscious of the disadvantages of being locked into proprietary suspension and acknowledge that there were some issues with the last iteration of the Brain.

 

The first improvement has to do with the frame rather than the Brain directly. They reduced the side load on the shock by 30% with the new frame design. This improves the performance by reducing stiction but it also prevents air from leaking into the system. They also made a change to the shock with a strong shaft and double barrel bushing on the front and rear to further secure the air sleeve.

 

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While the frame has been improved to reduce lateral forces on the shock, the shock has also been beefed up for better performance and reliability.

 

Going deeper into the technical changes, Specialized has dropped the air bladder and returned to the internal floating piston (IFP). The air bladder allows for a wider suspension range than the IFP does but now with the Epic EVO using a unique suspension design, the Epic is focussed purely on racing so the IFP is back in favour.

 

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To make sure this new system is more reliable, Specialized has put in 1850 hours of real-world testing. That’s the equivalent of 72 Cape Epics at the winner’s pace.

 

Increased service intervals and Service Package


With these improvements to the Brain system, Specialized has significantly extended the service intervals. The air sleeve service window has been boosted from 50-hour to 125-hour intervals and the damper service is now 50 hours later at 250-hour intervals. They have also included a two-year suspension service package for all new Epic buyers.

 

RockShox SID Ultimate SL with Position-Sensitive Brain Damper


The all-new RockShox SID Ultimate SL on the S-Works Epic features a Brain Damper. Like the rear Brain system, an inertia valve works to open the fork damper when triggered by trail input while remaining high in the travel under rider loads. The Position-Sensitive Brain damper allows the fork 15mm of free travel for grip and comfort on smaller bumps. This can be tuned between 0 and 30mm into the travel.

 

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The Components


Our test bike is the top-tier S-Works model so it boasts the latest and greatest parts available and they all function superbly. That said, there is one standout component on the new S-Works Epic.

 

Control SL Wheels

 

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Specialized recently announced their latest version of the Control SL wheelset. These wheels are fitted to the S-Works model but as one of the highlights on the bike, well worth a mention. The claimed weight challenges even the best road wheels at 1,240 grams. That’s with an internal rim width of 29 millimetres. The hookless rim wall has been thickened to 4 millimetres and shaped to increase strength but also to reduce the chance of pinch flats by 22%. The hubs are DT Swiss internals with sealed ceramic bearings.

 

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Drivetrain: SRAM Eagle AXS groupset including a Quarq XX1 Dub power meter as a standard component.

 

Brakes: The brakes are SRAM’s Level Ultimates with CLX rotors (180mm front and 160mm rear).

 

Cockpit: The cockpit is full S-Works with a carbon handlebar and seat post. The bike now comes with an S-Works Power saddle instead of the Phenom of the previous bike.

 

Tyres: The tyres are Specialized’s own FastTrak with the Control casing at 2.3” wide.

 

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  • FrameS-Works FACT 12m Carbon, Modern XC Race Geometry, Rider-First EngineeredTM, threaded BB, 12x148mm rear spacing, internal cable routing, 100mm of travel
  • SwatSWAT EMT Cage-Mount Tool
  • Rear ShockRockShox-Specialized BRAIN, Rx XC Tune, 5 Position Platform Adjust, Rebound Adjust, Integraded Extension, 265x52.5mm
  • ForkRockShox SID SL ULTIMATE BRAIN, Top-Adjust Brain damper, Debon Air, 15x110mm, 44mm offset, 100mm Travel
  • StemS-Works SL, alloy, titanium bolts, 6-degree rise
  • HandlebarsS-Works Carbon XC Mini Rise, 6-degree upsweep, 8-degree backsweep, 10mm rise, 760mm, 31.8mm
  • GripsSpecialized Trail Grips
  • Front BrakeSRAM Level Ultimate, 2-piston caliper, hydraulic disc
  • Rear BrakeSRAM Level Ultimate, 2-piston caliper, hydraulic disc
  • Rear DerailleurSRAMXX1EagleAXS
  • Shift LeversSRAM XX1 Eagle AXS, trigger, 12-speed
  • CassetteSRAM XG-1299 Eagle, 10-50t
  • ChainSRAM XX1 Eagle
  • CranksetQUARQ XX1 Eagle Power Meter, BoostTM 148, DUB, 170/175mm, 32t
  • ChainringsSRAM Eagle 32T alloy, 104 BCD
  • Bottom BracketSRAMDUB,BSA73mm,Threaded
  • RimsRoval Control SL, Carbon offset design, 29mm internal width, 4mm hook width, Tubeless ready, 24h
  • Front HubRoval Control SL, DT Swiss Internals, Ceramic Bearings, 6-bolt, 15mm thru-axle, 110mm spacing, Torque caps, 24h straight pull t-head
  • Rear HubRoval Control SL, DT Swiss 180 Internals, DT Swiss Ratchet EXP, Ceramic bearings, 12mm thru-axle, 148mm spacing, 24h
  • SpokesDT Swiss Aerolite T-head
  • Front TyreFast Trak, Control casing, GRIPTON® compound, 60 TPI, 2Bliss Ready, 29x2.3"
  • Rear TyreFast Trak, Control casing, GRIPTON® compound, 60 TPI, 2Bliss Ready, 29x2.3"
  • SaddleBody Geometry S-Works Power, carbon fiber rails, carbon fiber base, 143mm
  • Seat PostS-Works FACT carbon, 10mm setback, 30.9mm
  • PriceR190,000.00
  • Weight (XL frame with sealant and SWAT Tools in Headset)10.2 kg

 

The Epic Range


Epic Pro
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  • FrameFACT 11m Full Carbon, Modern XC Race Geometry, Rider-First EngineeredTM, threaded BB, 12x148mm rear spacing, internal cable routing, 100mm of travel
  • SwatSWAT EMT Cage-Mount Tool
  • Rear ShockRockShox-Specialized BRAIN, Rx XC Tune, 5 Position Platform Adjust, Rebound Adjust, Integraded Extension, 265x52.5mm
  • ForkRockShox SID SL BRAIN, Top-Adjust Brain damper, Debon Air, 15x110mm, 44mm offset, 100mm Travel
  • StemSpecialized XC, 3D-forged alloy, 4-bolt, 6-degree rise
  • HandlebarsS-Works Carbon XC Mini Rise, 6-degree upsweep, 8-degree backsweep, 10mm rise, 760mm, 31.8mm
  • GripsSpecialized Trail Grips
  • Front BrakeSRAM Level TLM, 2-piston caliper, hydraulic disc
  • Rear BrakeSRAM Level TLM, 2-piston caliper, hydraulic disc
  • DerailleurSRAM X01 Eagle, 12-speed
  • Shift LeversSRAM AXS EAGLE Controller
  • Shift LeversSRAM XG-1295 Eagle, 12-speed, 10-50t
  • CassetteSRAM X01 Eagle, 12-speed
  • ChainSRAM X1 carbon Eagle, BoostTM 148, DUB, 32t, SM: 170mm, M-XL 175mm
  • CranksetSRAM Eagle Alloy, 32T, Direct mount
  • ChainringsSRAM DUB,BSA73mm,Threaded
  • Bottom BracketRoval Control Carbon, 25mm internal width, Zero bead hook, Tubeless ready, 28h
  • RimsDT Swiss 350, 15x110mm spacing, 6-bolt, 28h
  • Front HubDT Swiss 350, Star Ratchet, SRAM XD driver body, 12mm thru-axle, 148mm spacing, 28h
  • Rear HubDT Swiss Competition Race
  • SpokesFast Trak, Control casing, GRIPTON® compound, 60 TPI, 2Bliss Ready, 29x2.3"
  • Front TyreFast Trak, Control casing, GRIPTON® compound, 60 TPI, 2Bliss Ready, 29x2.3"
  • Rear TyreBody Geometry Power Expert
  • SaddleS-Works FACT carbon, 10mm setback, 30.9mm
  • Seat PostR140,000.00
Epic Expert
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  • FrameFACT 11m Full Carbon, Modern XC Race Geometry, Rider-First EngineeredTM, threaded BB, 12x148mm rear spacing, internal cable routing, 100mm of travel
  • SwatSWAT EMT Cage-Mount Tool
  • Rear ShockRockShox-Specialized BRAIN, Rx XC Tune, 5 Position Platform Adjust, Rebound Adjust, Integraded Extension, 265x52.5mm
  • ForkRockShox SID SL BRAIN, Bottom-Adjust Brain damper, Debon Air, 15x110mm, 44mm offset, 100mm Travel
  • StemSpecialized XC, 3D-forged alloy, 4-bolt, 6-degree rise
  • HandlebarsSpecialized Alloy Minirise, 10mm rise, 750mm, 31.8mm clamp
  • GripsSpecialized Trail Grips
  • Front BrakeSRAM Level TL, 2-piston caliper, hydraulic disc
  • Rear BrakeSRAM Level TL, 2-piston caliper, hydraulic disc
  • Rear DerailleurSRAM X01 Eagle,12-speed
  • Shift LeversSRAM X01 Eagle, trigger, 12-speed
  • CassetteSRAM XG-1275 Eagle, 12-speed, 10-50t
  • ChainSRAM GX Eagle, 12-speed
  • CranksetSRAM X1 Eagle, DUB, 32t, XS: 165mm, SM: 170mm, M-XL: 175mm
  • ChainringsSRAM Eagle Alloy 32T Direct mount
  • Bottom BracketSRAM DUB,BSA73mm,Threaded
  • RimsRoval Control Carbon, 25mm internal width, Zero bead hook, Tubeless ready, 28h
  • Front HubDT Swiss 350, 15x110mm spacing, Torque caps, 6-bolt, 28h
  • Rear HubDT Swiss 350, Star Ratchet, SRAM XD driver body, 12mm thru-axle, 148mm spacing, 28h
  • SpokesDT Swiss Competition Race
  • Front TyreFast Trak, Control casing, GRIPTON® compound, 60 TPI, 2Bliss Ready, 29x2.3"
  • Rear TyreFast Trak, Control casing, GRIPTON® compound, 60 TPI, 2Bliss Ready, 29x2.3"
  • SaddleBody Geometry Power Sport, hollow Cr-Mo rails
  • Seat PostSpecialized Alloy, Single Bolt, 30.9mm
  • PriceR110,000.00
Epic Comp
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  • FrameFACT 11m Full Carbon, Modern XC Race Geometry, Rider-First EngineeredTM, threaded BB, 12x148mm rear spacing, internal cable routing, 100mm of travel
  • SwatSWAT EMT Cage-Mount Tool
  • Rear ShockRockShox-Specialized BRAIN, Rx XC Tune, 5 Position Platform Adjust, Rebound Adjust, Integraded Extension, 265x52.5mm
  • ForkRockShox Reba RL, Motion Control damper, Solo Air, 42mm offset, 15x110mm thru-axle, 100mm of travel
  • StemSpecialized XC, 3D-forged alloy, 4-bolt, 6-degree rise
  • HandlebarsSpecialized Alloy Minirise, 10mm rise, 750mm, 31.8mm clamp
  • GripsSpecialized Trail Grips
  • Front BrakeShimano SLX M7100, 2-piston caliper, hydraulic disc
  • Rear BrakeShimano SLX M7100, 2-piston caliper, hydraulic disc
  • Rear DerailleurShimano SLX M7100, SGS,12-speed
  • Shift LeversShimano SLX M7100, 12spd
  • CassetteShimano SLX CS-M7100, 12-speed, 10-51t
  • ChainShimano SLX M7100, 12-speed
  • CranksetShimano SLX 7100, Hollowtech 2, 32t Chainring, XS: 165mm, SM: 170mm, M-XL: 175mm
  • Chainrings32T
  • Bottom BracketShimano,BB52,Threaded
  • RimsSpecialized Alloy, Tubeless Ready, 25mm internal width, 28h
  • Front HubShimano MT400-B, Centerlock 28h, 15x110 Boost
  • Rear HubShimano MT510-B, Centerlock 28h, 12x148 Boost, Microspline
  • SpokesDT Swiss Industry
  • Front TyreFast Trak, Control casing, GRIPTON® compound, 60 TPI, 2Bliss Ready, 29x2.3"
  • Rear TyreFast Trak, Control casing, GRIPTON® compound, 60 TPI, 2Bliss Ready, 29x2.3"
  • SaddleBody Geometry Power Sport, hollow Cr-Mo rails
  • Seat PostSpecialized Alloy, Single Bolt, 30.9mm
  • PriceR78,000.00

 

Riding the S-Works Epic


The new Epic no longer has the AutoSag system for the shock set up. But don’t worry, it’s still fairly easy. Set the Brain fade to soft and measure 13mm sag, that’s roughly 27% wheel travel. I didn’t find that I needed to adjust the shock after the initial setup. The power meter paired with my Garmin computer on the first attempt. The shock took a bit longer but I finally settled going a good few PSI below the recommended pressure.

 

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The Quarq power meter seamless becomes a part of your riding.

 

Technical trails are where the new Epic shines above the previous model. The new geometry angles feel perfect for the demands of modern cross-country mountain bikers. The bike rolls over rocks and bumps without fear of getting hung up or pitching over, even at the slowest speeds. With the lower bottom bracket and slacker head angle, you are positioned in the bike with a stable centre of gravity, allowing you to better put weight through the front wheel in the turns. It’s a stark contrast to the previous bike where I tiptoed my way through rock gardens always wary of making a mistake. The bike feels more like a trail bike bashing through and out the other side. Even with the rigid seat post, which I usually struggle with, the bike is manoeuvrable. But when you do put a dropper post on it becomes next level capable and playful. I say do it!

 

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The Brain comes into its own on trails and Specialized acknowledge this themselves in saying that it is really for the XCO type rider where the Brain pays off the most. I only really jump on an Epic when a new bike launch comes around, so the Brain isn’t my regular riding experience. But when I do, I’m always surprised at how much thought goes into considering locking out. Every incline I’m usually trying to calculate whether I should smash through unlocked or firm it up a bit. While on trails where it’s usually full open to the bottom, now suddenly I have full support high up in the travel to shoot out of a corner hard on the pedals or to sprint through a short up section on an undulating trail. Playing with a fiddly lockout in some of these situations is just not possible. It is a liberating experience and allows you to get just on with the job of attacking the trail.

 

That said, the bike still reacts like a lightweight cross-country bike. The steering is super precise. You can place the front wheel exactly where you want it and turning is sharp without being twitchy. It’s a stable jumper with a light front end that is easily manhandled to correct your trajectory. While the Epic does pop off the ground well, it doesn’t have the same preload push that the Epic EVO does.

 

The sub-1300 gram Roval Control SL wheel also had their part to play in the feel of the new Epic. The lightweight and fast engagement accelerate you out of corners better than any other mountain bike wheel that I’ve ridden. The wider internal diameter adds volume and support to the FastTrak tyres giving you far more control in rough parts of the trail. Of course, with the ridiculous weight, they power up climbs like a dream too.

 

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The new Epic climbs as an Epic should. The bike is super stiff with a responsiveness that urges you to push even harder. Even with progressive trail bike inspired geometry, the Epic handles like a dream on the climbs. Thanks (in part) to the lower bottom bracket height, the Epic turns even the steepest corners without any suggestion of the front wheel lifting. It handles loose and wet surfaces well, keeping the rear wheel traction in check without the fear that your groin might inexplicably hurtle towards the headset cap.

 

The Brain is integral to this climbing experience. The wow moment for me is when moving from seated to standing to mash the pedals. Where many bikes start to waiver, there is no suggestion from the rear end that anything has changed. The bike actually feels even stiffer as your weight transfers forward. Although it does feel it, the rear end is not completely rigid. It is designed to have a few millimetres of give in the shock to absorb small bumps and provide some comfort when off-road. And I’ll gladly take it, the largest contrast between the Epic and Epic EVO is the smoothness and comfort. The Epic is a bit jittery in that department.

 

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The Brain does still make its characteristic knock. It is ever so slightly muted on the new bike but it does still feel like the axle might be working itself loose (don’t worry, it isn’t). I found it easy enough to get comfortable with and took it as a sign that the system was working in my favour. It is most notable when on blunt edge collisions with rocks or rooted sections going up climbs. On smoother terrain the Brain is far less likely to become active. Once at the top and bombing down, I could barely notice the Brain as it activates much faster at higher speeds. Overall, I appreciated the bike set to the firmest Brain fade. I found the middle setting to be too forgiving while knowing that the bike can be stiffer. The middle setting is far more comfortable and significantly reduces the feel of the Brain opening but still provides an adequate platform for efficient pedalling. A good setting for longer days/ stage races or when you’re just having fun on the trails.

 




215 Comments

BaGearA, Jun 23 2020 07:36

For an xc bike I think this looks awesome, still wish fox was handling the rear shock unit

Grease_Monkey, Jun 23 2020 07:54

Looks like an awesome bike. Those prices are just getting stupid though...

Kalahari Vegmot, Jun 23 2020 07:59

Looks like an awesome bike. Those prices are just getting stupid though...

Yea, I think I'd take the Africa Twin over the spaz thanks......

Jewbacca, Jun 23 2020 08:10

Always the price.... hahahaha 

 

Cannondales topper is over 200k, so Spez have done well to beat that AND deliver such a package.

 

The wheelset is wide and weighs under 1300g.... I've ogled them in person.... yoh!

 

These bikes are next level rad, light and functional.

 

If I was a rich man, fidle diddle diddle diddle..............

 

There are lots of things I would do with 190k, but this bike is a pretty forward thinking piece of kit. Lets appreciat that before we start banging on about the price.

 

I think we should accept that top of the range bikes will all be around the 200k mark this year and move on to discuss the merits of the bikes as opposed to throwing big nays first.

 

Dunno, I want to get back to bikes and tech geek bike radness. Too much negativity on the site already to bemoan something as silly as costing.....

DieselnDust, Jun 23 2020 08:25

OK so the million dollar question is.. What colour golf bats does it come with?

sirmoun10goat, Jun 23 2020 08:33

For those who carry on about price, I think they should break the bike down into components, and measure the cost of the frame as the difference between the bike bought direct from the dealer, and sum of the components.

 

Bike manufacturers take a lot of slack with regard to prices, but the component manufacturers play their part to. Whats the price of the SID fork, a full AXS group set (and wireless dropper), add in a power meter?

 

People very often upgrade their bikes slowly, so they dont feel/see the full impact of these upgrades. Here, the top of the range bike probably has everything you could want/need on a bike, so no further outlays.

Grease_Monkey, Jun 23 2020 08:36

Always the price.... hahahaha

Cannondales topper is over 200k, so Spez have done well to beat that AND deliver such a package.

The wheelset is wide and weighs under 1300g.... I've ogled them in person.... yoh!

These bikes are next level rad, light and functional.

If I was a rich man, fidle diddle diddle diddle..............

There are lots of things I would do with 190k, but this bike is a pretty forward thinking piece of kit. Lets appreciat that before we start banging on about the price.

I think we should accept that top of the range bikes will all be around the 200k mark this year and move on to discuss the merits of the bikes as opposed to throwing big nays first.

Dunno, I want to get back to bikes and tech geek bike radness. Too much negativity on the site already to bemoan something as silly as costing.....


I'm not moaning about Spez pricing specifically compared to other brands - more the prices of high end bikes in general. There really is no way those prices can be justified.

None the less, doesn't take away from how awesome it looks.

But anyway, wasn't looking to debate pricing. Just an observation.

morneS555, Jun 23 2020 08:36

OK so the million dollar question is..What colour golf bats does it come with?


It’s in the 2021 bmw brochure🧐😅

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Jewbacca, Jun 23 2020 08:58

I'm not moaning about Spez pricing specifically compared to other brands - more the prices of high end bikes in general. There really is no way those prices can be justified.

None the less, doesn't take away from how awesome it looks.

But anyway, wasn't looking to debate pricing. Just an observation.

My comment wasn't aimed at you or anyone.

 

I agree, 200k is crazy money. But some people can afford or afford to finance that and then they are getting a seriously rad bike.

 

The fact that the review bikes are XL and don't look corky is testament to the R and D as well as attention to detail. It's proportional, not a noodle and looks rad.

 

Most XL bikes look like a kid drew them.

Waynemol, Jun 23 2020 09:29

Going to be some good secondhand epics for sale on the driving range
Looks nice - but then so would a sack filled with 200k

DieselnDust, Jun 23 2020 09:59

It’s in the 2021 bmw brochure

 

I'll my short bats in Black Sapphire (WTF is black sapphire, sapphires are blue...)

Irons in Sunset Orange

And Drivers in Arctic Race blue

Mohs, Jun 23 2020 10:35

Very nice indeed...



 

babse, Jun 23 2020 10:43

I think this puts the 200k 'dale to shame.

Yoh 🤤

Furbz, Jun 24 2020 07:45

It’s in the 2021 bmw brochure🧐😅


You win the internet for today

Bos, Jun 24 2020 08:46

Nice bike, Nice paint options. It feels like a bit of a forgotten art with all the attention going to Geo, Kinematics, tech etc. Nice one Spez. I'd love one of those Magic mushroom inspired paint-jobs. via Pinkbike

 

Funny I didn't see one in Jonkershoek this passed weekend ;)

Speaking of Stellies though, I know the big "S" is based in Stellies, so It makes sense to have this shoot/launch there. I rode Armageddon which is more on the xc side of things, right? Well I rode it (on my Enduro bike) with my brother inlaw on his RM Element, and I suddenly became aware how rough and technical even that trail was. Hard to Imagine anyone still wanting 100mm bikes. But then again, 90% of the country rides dirtroads I guess.. If you live and ride in these areas however, and taking into account how efficient bikes are these days,  a 120mm Epic would be my choice. 

 

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Jewbacca, Jun 24 2020 09:21

BOS, I agree, which is why the Evo is no longer an Epic with a 120mm fork. It's a completely revised frame and bike combo.

 

I think the Epic is still an out and out race bike, so one wouldn't buy it to ride 'for fun' but with goals, races and definitive results being the key.

 

For all else there is the Evo.

 

(On a side note I'm sure Nick rode these at Jonkers a number of times during the week... He does live there and it is his job... hahahaha)

 

I don't think this bike will be the calling card for aspiring MTB noobs or a 1 bike quiver. It is, for me, a 100% performance based bike.

 

The New Evo would be my choice if I was rich enough. I was lucky enough to have seen/ogled/inspected both and sjoe... They are nice. But ja, I agree.

 

If you're not an out and out racer, the Epic is NOT the bike for you. The evo suspension is set up with the yoke stepped up on the swing arm, coupled with the lack of brain, will give you tons of grip and a bit more of a joosh.

 

The Epic linkage is still direct to the stays so is more direct and definitely less plush.

 

Everything points to a bit distinction between the two which shows Spaz have acknowledged what you're saying and are creating bikes accordingly, albeit well specced Ferrari versions!

dave303e, Jun 24 2020 09:41

For those who carry on about price, I think they should break the bike down into components, and measure the cost of the frame as the difference between the bike bought direct from the dealer, and sum of the components.

 

Bike manufacturers take a lot of slack with regard to prices, but the component manufacturers play their part to. Whats the price of the SID fork, a full AXS group set (and wireless dropper), add in a power meter?

 

People very often upgrade their bikes slowly, so they dont feel/see the full impact of these upgrades. Here, the top of the range bike probably has everything you could want/need on a bike, so no further outlays.

 

I can buy a brand new KTM 350F, chuck on some CC forks and a Traxx rear shock and still have money for engine upgrades for that price.

 

Break it down and the stock KTM suspension is better than anything on that S-Works or most downhill bikes for that matter.

 

A Motorbike comes with a high performance lightweight motor containing 100's of high precision machined parts so the engineering time there alone is worth more. 

Jewbacca, Jun 24 2020 09:50

I can buy a brand new KTM 350F, chuck on some CC forks and a Traxx rear shock and still have money for engine upgrades for that price.

 

Break it down and the stock KTM suspension is better than anything on that S-Works or most downhill bikes for that matter.

 

A Motorbike comes with a high performance lightweight motor containing 100's of high precision machined parts so the engineering time there alone is worth more. 

I can also buy a new city car.

 

I don't think it's relevant though. Much like footballers getting paid 250 000 euro a week, the economy in cycling has created it's own value.

 

Comparing that to other industries is like saying one could hire 250 nurses a month for what Ronaldo earns in a week. 

 

It's true, but unfortunately it is also just a stat that doesn't relate.

 

I wouldn't choose the moto over the pedal bike though if I had the money to buy one. 

Nick, Jun 24 2020 09:54

Funny I didn't see one in Jonkershoek this passed weekend ;)

Speaking of Stellies though, I know the big "S" is based in Stellies, so It makes sense to have this shoot/launch there. I rode Armageddon which is more on the xc side of things, right? Well I rode it (on my Enduro bike) with my brother inlaw on his RM Element, and I suddenly became aware how rough and technical even that trail was. Hard to Imagine anyone still wanting 100mm bikes. But then again, 90% of the country rides dirtroads I guess.. If you live and ride in these areas however, and taking into account how efficient bikes are these days,  a 120mm Epic would be my choice. 

 

We're all different. I love riding short travel bikes on all levels of trail. It makes every trail on your ride fun no matter the grade. Our trails aren't overly technical or steep and I find riding a big travel bike limits my enjoyment on easier trails. I also like the pedalling as I tend to link a number of trail networks into a single ride all while leaving from home. That said, I'm definitely more in the Epic Evo camp than the race-focussed Epic but give it a dropper post and the bike still rips.

DieselnDust, Jun 24 2020 09:59

I can also buy a new city car.

 

I don't think it's relevant though. Much like footballers getting paid 250 000 euro a week, the economy in cycling has created it's own value.

 

Comparing that to other industries is like saying one could hire 250 nurses a month for what Ronaldo earns in a week. 

 

It's true, but unfortunately it is also just a stat that doesn't relate.

 

I wouldn't choose the moto over the pedal bike though if I had the money to buy one. 

 

 

I'd get the moto and the spec two notches down  win win

 

The R200K bike is for CEO's, golfers and sponsored riders

Pipsqueak, Jun 24 2020 10:05

We're all different. I love riding short travel bikes on all levels of trail. It makes every trail on your ride fun no matter the grade. Our trails aren't overly technical or steep and I find riding a big travel bike limits my enjoyment on easier trails. I also like the pedalling as I tend to link a number of trail networks into a single ride all while leaving from home. That said, I'm definitely more in the Epic Evo camp than the race-focussed Epic but give it a dropper post and the bike still rips.

Does this bike come with a 170 crank? Ride it anywhere meaningful and surely you're going to be whacking things?

dave303e, Jun 24 2020 10:09

I can also buy a new city car.

 

I don't think it's relevant though. Much like footballers getting paid 250 000 euro a week, the economy in cycling has created it's own value.

 

Comparing that to other industries is like saying one could hire 250 nurses a month for what Ronaldo earns in a week. 

 

It's true, but unfortunately it is also just a stat that doesn't relate.

 

I wouldn't choose the moto over the pedal bike though if I had the money to buy one. 

 

Would the world not be in a better place with 250 more nurses and 1 less footballer?

 

My comparison is more a direct you are paying for a 2 wheeled racing machine and you get a lot better value for money and overall capability in riding for one than another...

Nick, Jun 24 2020 10:10

Does this bike come with a 170 crank? Ride it anywhere meaningful and surely you're going to be whacking things?

 

I didn't check to be honest. Spec sheet says 170/175, so I'm guessing that it might be size specific?

Pedal strikes was not something I noticed while riding.

DieselnDust, Jun 24 2020 10:21

XS and S 170mm cranks

M and above 175mm cranks

 

SRAM doesn't make shorter lengths for MTB

Zula, Jun 24 2020 10:22

To everyone moaning about the price. Your anger/irritation should be directed at the government and not at Specialized. They have single handedly resulted in the exorbitant pricing. In $ terms the price increase is not unreasonable. 

 

As for the comparison to motorbikes and cars it comes down to volumes. Way more cars and motorbikes are sold than SWorks Epics.